Comments on: Ron Paul: Not your average long-shot candidate http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:00:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Grandma Susana http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-93 Grandma Susana Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:10:23 +0000 http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-93 Now I'm on the other side of the coin from those who posted before me. I grew up aligned with the Republicans--until 1975 when I felt that party had left me. So I went Libertarian until now. I've been telling my friends who are Paul supporters how exciting it is to see so many of us with such divergent political views come together in support of this man! Why? Because he stands for America and for our Constitution! All the others stand for one thing today and something else tomorrow. Paul is consistent! I am changing my registration back to Republican just so I can vote for Dr. Paul (though I may leave them again right after the primaries)! As Vegan Girl said above, Paul isn't just the best candidate; he's the only candidate! Aunt Kathie has described the situation very aptly--deliberate suppression of news about Dr. Paul while force-feeding us with those other puppets. Okay, call me a conspiracy theorist, but I've studied this for many years, and I believe there is an international cabal that wants to destroy the Great American Experiment, to bring down our way of life and return us to a system of feudal slavery under a one-world government of self-appointed elitists who think they know what's good for us better than we do for ourselves. "They" work behind the scenes to find people they can buy off who will make whatever promises are needed to get elected and then do the puppet-masters' bidding. How else do you explain that both major candidates in 2004 were Skull and Bones members or how a totally unknown southern governor (who just happens to be a disciple of Carrol Quigley, author of "Tragedy and Hope") was propelled upon us in 1992? I hope Eric's election analysis is right. God willing, the MSM's suppression of real poll results will jump up and bite them in the you-know-what come election day! So to have the many of us with our otherwise divergent positions unite behind this 100% American gives my aging soul great joy. My greatest fear is embodied in a quote from Joe Stalin; it's now how people vote, it's all in who counts the votes! Can we rally enough of us behind Dr. Paul to so completely overwhelm the vote such that even rigged voting machines can't steal our choice? Speaking of suspension of civil liberties, Eric, just note the news in recent days about Musharrif in Pakistan! And Bush (whom I mistakenly supported in 2000 because I think Gore is a loser--but not in 2004) is doing exactly the same kind of thing with his executive orders! That quote about Germany is so spot-on descriptive of the U.S. today! I suspect that that "overwhelming support" for Bush may have largely been a "hold-your-nose-and-take-the-lesser-of-two-evils" approach. But alas, the lesser of several evils is still evil. Dr. Paul is righteous and a candidate I can support with no reservations! Now I'm on the other side of the coin from those who posted before me. I grew up aligned with the Republicans–until 1975 when I felt that party had left me. So I went Libertarian until now. I've been telling my friends who are Paul supporters how exciting it is to see so many of us with such divergent political views come together in support of this man! Why? Because he stands for America and for our Constitution! All the others stand for one thing today and something else tomorrow. Paul is consistent!

I am changing my registration back to Republican just so I can vote for Dr. Paul (though I may leave them again right after the primaries)! As Vegan Girl said above, Paul isn't just the best candidate; he's the only candidate!

Aunt Kathie has described the situation very aptly–deliberate suppression of news about Dr. Paul while force-feeding us with those other puppets. Okay, call me a conspiracy theorist, but I've studied this for many years, and I believe there is an international cabal that wants to destroy the Great American Experiment, to bring down our way of life and return us to a system of feudal slavery under a one-world government of self-appointed elitists who think they know what's good for us better than we do for ourselves. "They" work behind the scenes to find people they can buy off who will make whatever promises are needed to get elected and then do the puppet-masters' bidding. How else do you explain that both major candidates in 2004 were Skull and Bones members or how a totally unknown southern governor (who just happens to be a disciple of Carrol Quigley, author of "Tragedy and Hope") was propelled upon us in 1992?

I hope Eric's election analysis is right. God willing, the MSM's suppression of real poll results will jump up and bite them in the you-know-what come election day!

So to have the many of us with our otherwise divergent positions unite behind this 100% American gives my aging soul great joy. My greatest fear is embodied in a quote from Joe Stalin; it's now how people vote, it's all in who counts the votes! Can we rally enough of us behind Dr. Paul to so completely overwhelm the vote such that even rigged voting machines can't steal our choice?

Speaking of suspension of civil liberties, Eric, just note the news in recent days about Musharrif in Pakistan! And Bush (whom I mistakenly supported in 2000 because I think Gore is a loser–but not in 2004) is doing exactly the same kind of thing with his executive orders! That quote about Germany is so spot-on descriptive of the U.S. today!

I suspect that that "overwhelming support" for Bush may have largely been a "hold-your-nose-and-take-the-lesser-of-two-evils" approach. But alas, the lesser of several evils is still evil. Dr. Paul is righteous and a candidate I can support with no reservations!

]]> By: Anonymous http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-88 Anonymous Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:13:06 +0000 http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-88 Thank you for the truly frightening quote about Germany. And for the uplifting observations about the primary elections. I think that makes a lot of sense. But shhhh! Don't tell the other guys. We don't want them to know they have to work that much harder to get voters out. ;) Thank you for the truly frightening quote about Germany. And for the uplifting observations about the primary elections. I think that makes a lot of sense. But shhhh! Don't tell the other guys. We don't want them to know they have to work that much harder to get voters out. ;)

]]> By: Eric http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-87 Eric Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:48:33 +0000 http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-87 I voted basically the same way in the previous 2 presidential elections, Nader in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. Anyway, I've been doing some reading and hoping about the primaries and if you think about it, there are a few things in Ron's favor: * The current published polls tend to be based on likely republican voters. The definition of this can vary, but it generally excludes those that don't vote strictly on 'party' lines. * Many individuals when randomly sampled will claim that they will vote in the primaries, but the turnout generally ends up rather low, maybe with percentages in the teens or less. This can be explained by the primaries not seeming significant enough to get marked on the calendar or important enough to take time off of work or to find a babysitter, or whatever. Whatever the reason, the fervent Ron Paul supporters will treat the primaries *very* seriously. The sample of Ron Paul supporters voting in the primaries could potentially turn out to be much, much greater than the totals for the other candidates combined. * The number of choices which might still be as many as 10 candidates is high. The more candidates there are the more the votes to 'top tier' candidates will be peanut-buttered across the 'second' and 'third tier' candidates. This normalization of the vote distribution means that a candidate like Ron Paul that can polarize supporters like a magnet will be able to transcend the inevitable and arbitrary votes for the other candidates that are all so similar that a choice for them is not based on policy but for superficial reasons like hair style or more polished TV ads or simply because of name recognition. I sure hope he wins as he is our only hope of restoring the duty of our congress to protect the constitution. In a republic, a dictator doesn't come to power by force but by representative vote, for example Germany in the 1930s: http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp. The fact that it is even possible to 'suspend' civil liberties seems like a hole in the system. After observing how our own Americans can vehemently support Bush, I'm not at all surprised by this paragraph from that link: The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism, or that their life and work had become regimented to a degree never before experienced even by a people accustomed for generations to a great deal of regimentation.... The Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed.... On the contrary, they supported it with genuine enthusiasm. Somehow it imbued them with a new hope and a new confidence and an astonishing faith in the future of their country. I voted basically the same way in the previous 2 presidential elections, Nader in 2000 and Kerry in 2004.

Anyway, I've been doing some reading and hoping about the primaries and if you think about it, there are a few things in Ron's favor:
* The current published polls tend to be based on likely republican voters. The definition of this can vary, but it generally excludes those that don't vote strictly on ‘party' lines.
* Many individuals when randomly sampled will claim that they will vote in the primaries, but the turnout generally ends up rather low, maybe with percentages in the teens or less. This can be explained by the primaries not seeming significant enough to get marked on the calendar or important enough to take time off of work or to find a babysitter, or whatever. Whatever the reason, the fervent Ron Paul supporters will treat the primaries *very* seriously. The sample of Ron Paul supporters voting in the primaries could potentially turn out to be much, much greater than the totals for the other candidates combined.
* The number of choices which might still be as many as 10 candidates is high. The more candidates there are the more the votes to ‘top tier' candidates will be peanut-buttered across the 'second' and ‘third tier' candidates. This normalization of the vote distribution means that a candidate like Ron Paul that can polarize supporters like a magnet will be able to transcend the inevitable and arbitrary votes for the other candidates that are all so similar that a choice for them is not based on policy but for superficial reasons like hair style or more polished TV ads or simply because of name recognition.

I sure hope he wins as he is our only hope of restoring the duty of our congress to protect the constitution. In a republic, a dictator doesn't come to power by force but by representative vote, for example Germany in the 1930s: http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0403a.asp. The fact that it is even possible to 'suspend' civil liberties seems like a hole in the system.

After observing how our own Americans can vehemently support Bush, I'm not at all surprised by this paragraph from that link:

The overwhelming majority of Germans did not seem to mind that their personal freedom had been taken away, that so much of culture had been destroyed and replaced with a mindless barbarism, or that their life and work had become regimented to a degree never before experienced even by a people accustomed for generations to a great deal of regimentation…. The Nazi terror in the early years affected the lives of relatively few Germans and a newly arrived observer was somewhat surprised to see that the people of this country did not seem to feel that they were being cowed…. On the contrary, they supported it with genuine enthusiasm. Somehow it imbued them with a new hope and a new confidence and an astonishing faith in the future of their country.

]]> By: Katherine/Aunt Kathie http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-72 Katherine/Aunt Kathie Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:39:43 +0000 http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-72 Good call on Guiliani. An limb's a lot to lose, but I lived in NYC while he was mayor and you've made the right choice. Good call on Guiliani. An limb's a lot to lose, but I lived in NYC while he was mayor and you've made the right choice.

]]> By: Justin O. http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-71 Justin O. Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:30:43 +0000 http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-71 As a Ron Paul supporter, I can tell you that while I was certainly going to support Ron Paul in the primaries, there was a chance that I might've gone for another Republican candidate in the general election (though I'd rather lose a limb than vote for Giuliani). I have seen other Paul supporters (admittedly a minority) who have also expressed less than hardcore disdain for other candidates. However, there is no longer any chance whatsoever that I will support any Republican candidate other than Paul. There is one reason for this: the absolute disdain and vitriol that supporters of other candidates (I'm looking at you, RedState) heap on his supporters. I'm tired of being called a kook, moonbat, moRon, Paultard, etc. As a Ron Paul supporter, I can tell you that while I was certainly going to support Ron Paul in the primaries, there was a chance that I might've gone for another Republican candidate in the general election (though I'd rather lose a limb than vote for Giuliani). I have seen other Paul supporters (admittedly a minority) who have also expressed less than hardcore disdain for other candidates.
However, there is no longer any chance whatsoever that I will support any Republican candidate other than Paul. There is one reason for this: the absolute disdain and vitriol that supporters of other candidates (I'm looking at you, RedState) heap on his supporters. I'm tired of being called a kook, moonbat, moRon, Paultard, etc.

]]> By: Katherine/Aunt Kathie http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-69 Katherine/Aunt Kathie Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:42:32 +0000 http://vegangirl.com/ron-paul-not-your-average-long-shot-candidate.html#comment-69 One of the things I find particularly troubling at this moment in time is that the media is trying to force certain candidates down our throats while conducting a virtual white-out (for want of a better term) of Kucinich, Ron Paul and others. This pre-selection of candidates should worry us. It does give me hope that Paul and Kucinich are both triving despite distorted polls and the media's efforts to silence them. One of the things I find particularly troubling at this moment in time is that the media is trying to force certain candidates down our throats while conducting a virtual white-out (for want of a better term) of Kucinich, Ron Paul and others. This pre-selection of candidates should worry us. It does give me hope that Paul and Kucinich are both triving despite distorted polls and the media's efforts to silence them.

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